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	<title>Comments on: Mailbag: Suzhou, home for cheats and liars?</title>
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		<title>By: 'Beth'</title>
		<link>http://www.thehumanaught.com/blog/general/mailbag-suzhou-home-for-cheats-and-liars/#comment-26480</link>
		<dc:creator>'Beth'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, this is &#039;Beth&#039; (not my real name, as you know). I&#039;ve been following the entries (on and off) since Ryan decided to put my email on the blog (which I objected to strongly, still do). But since there is clearly some (voyeuristic) interest in this tragedy, here is an update. If there is anybody out there who can / will offer concrete help, this would be hugely appreciated (confidentiality guaranteed).

First of all, &#039;Mary&#039; and &#039;Beth&#039; are not identical (I find this insulting). All I want to do is support my friend. Over the past year, I have watched her fall apart. And I have been unable to do more for her than be there for her when my time allows, hold her and listen to her. I have taken her to hospital (yes, she is extremely sick) and have made sure that some of her bills are paid. I wish I could do more. &#039;Mary&#039; is a wonderful friend. She is generous and doesn&#039;t judge people (she never judged &#039;Ted&#039; for being destitute; instead, she supported him - so that he could treat her like this?).

Thanks to &#039;Ted&#039;s&#039; arrogance and indifference, &#039;Mary&#039; is going to lose her home in the new year - unless &#039;Ted&#039; pays what he borrowed from her. Yes, &#039;Mary&#039; has employed a solicitor, but &#039;Ted&#039;, the selfish scum, has been ignoring all this since September (and &#039;Mary&#039;s&#039; attempts to talk to him about his debt for much longer). &#039;Ted&#039; has two well-paid jobs in Suzhou and is earning enough (many times over) to repay &#039;Mary&#039;. &#039;Mary&#039;s&#039; solicitor has asked for modest monthly repayments, which would not compromise &#039;Ted&#039;s&#039; affluent, wasteful, show-off lifestyle. &#039;Mary&#039; has bank statements to prove that she did lend (not &#039;give as a present&#039;) &#039;Ted&#039; all this money. Yet, &#039;Ted&#039; has not even bothered to acknowledge the fact that he owes 10,000 pounds (on top of everything &#039;Mary&#039; gave him (= not a loan) in London.

There are some people whose entries have been very kind (thank you) and many whose entries have been as callous as &#039;Ted&#039;s&#039; character (what makes you the judge of someone else&#039;s agony? Are you no better than &#039;Ted&#039;?). This is no longer about &#039;lost love&#039; (such abominable betrayal could never be forgiven by a hugely intelligent, proud woman), this is about &#039;Ted&#039; being a thief and a criminal. This is about justice, respect and what is morally right. This is also about China (and everybody who has bought &#039;Ted&#039;s&#039; lies) protecting him. This is about those amongst you who know &#039;Ted&#039; and think he has done nothing wrong.

So, if anybody does know where this human (?) filth can be found (someone seems to &#039;know&#039; him! There will be others), and what can be done, could they (as the last entry suggests) contact me via Ryan? I can assure everybody that this is a genuine matter - how would any of you feel if you give your trust to another person, only to find out that he is a fraud and has betrayed you, together with taking your life savings?

I wish everybody (except for &#039;Ted&#039;) out there a peaceful Christmas. - &#039;Beth&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, this is &#8216;Beth&#8217; (not my real name, as you know). I&#8217;ve been following the entries (on and off) since Ryan decided to put my email on the blog (which I objected to strongly, still do). But since there is clearly some (voyeuristic) interest in this tragedy, here is an update. If there is anybody out there who can / will offer concrete help, this would be hugely appreciated (confidentiality guaranteed).</p>
<p>First of all, &#8216;Mary&#8217; and &#8216;Beth&#8217; are not identical (I find this insulting). All I want to do is support my friend. Over the past year, I have watched her fall apart. And I have been unable to do more for her than be there for her when my time allows, hold her and listen to her. I have taken her to hospital (yes, she is extremely sick) and have made sure that some of her bills are paid. I wish I could do more. &#8216;Mary&#8217; is a wonderful friend. She is generous and doesn&#8217;t judge people (she never judged &#8216;Ted&#8217; for being destitute; instead, she supported him &#8211; so that he could treat her like this?).</p>
<p>Thanks to &#8216;Ted&#8217;s&#8217; arrogance and indifference, &#8216;Mary&#8217; is going to lose her home in the new year &#8211; unless &#8216;Ted&#8217; pays what he borrowed from her. Yes, &#8216;Mary&#8217; has employed a solicitor, but &#8216;Ted&#8217;, the selfish scum, has been ignoring all this since September (and &#8216;Mary&#8217;s&#8217; attempts to talk to him about his debt for much longer). &#8216;Ted&#8217; has two well-paid jobs in Suzhou and is earning enough (many times over) to repay &#8216;Mary&#8217;. &#8216;Mary&#8217;s&#8217; solicitor has asked for modest monthly repayments, which would not compromise &#8216;Ted&#8217;s&#8217; affluent, wasteful, show-off lifestyle. &#8216;Mary&#8217; has bank statements to prove that she did lend (not &#8216;give as a present&#8217;) &#8216;Ted&#8217; all this money. Yet, &#8216;Ted&#8217; has not even bothered to acknowledge the fact that he owes 10,000 pounds (on top of everything &#8216;Mary&#8217; gave him (= not a loan) in London.</p>
<p>There are some people whose entries have been very kind (thank you) and many whose entries have been as callous as &#8216;Ted&#8217;s&#8217; character (what makes you the judge of someone else&#8217;s agony? Are you no better than &#8216;Ted&#8217;?). This is no longer about &#8216;lost love&#8217; (such abominable betrayal could never be forgiven by a hugely intelligent, proud woman), this is about &#8216;Ted&#8217; being a thief and a criminal. This is about justice, respect and what is morally right. This is also about China (and everybody who has bought &#8216;Ted&#8217;s&#8217; lies) protecting him. This is about those amongst you who know &#8216;Ted&#8217; and think he has done nothing wrong.</p>
<p>So, if anybody does know where this human (?) filth can be found (someone seems to &#8216;know&#8217; him! There will be others), and what can be done, could they (as the last entry suggests) contact me via Ryan? I can assure everybody that this is a genuine matter &#8211; how would any of you feel if you give your trust to another person, only to find out that he is a fraud and has betrayed you, together with taking your life savings?</p>
<p>I wish everybody (except for &#8216;Ted&#8217;) out there a peaceful Christmas. &#8211; &#8216;Beth&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Vicky</title>
		<link>http://www.thehumanaught.com/blog/general/mailbag-suzhou-home-for-cheats-and-liars/#comment-26251</link>
		<dc:creator>Vicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stumbled across this story coincidentally a few weeks ago. I don&#039;t usually join in this kind of semi-public debate, but I was really shocked to read what this man has done to this woman - and, no, I would feel no differently whatsoever if I were a guy! Yet, more than the sadness of this desperate situation the &#039;views&#039; reflected in some of the replies upset me. There are only three or four people who DON&#039;T treat this as a big joke.  A soap opera? Spam? Manipulative sob story? I cannot imagine what Mary must be going through, even after all this time. And nor can all you insensitive respondents!  

I would like to know how Mary is feeling now.  Has she taken  a solicitor? Has she hired  a contract killer? Are her friends able to help her through this? If she loved and trusted Ted as much as Beth&#039;s letter indicates, this is not something she will simply shrug off. And if Ted&#039;s actions have made her ill, it&#039;s not something anybody &#039;wants&#039; to be. Maybe the cynics out there should do some research on depression and grief (and the grief Mary has experienced is worse than death - any counsellor would tell you this). 

Ted seems to have betrayed everything Mary &#039;is&#039;. He didn&#039;t just betray their relationship, he betrayed everything that matters: morals, honesty, respect, dignity, to name but a few.  Only the most shallow out there can live without these. 

And why should they be one and the same woman? If Mary is brave enough to contact a complete stranger, why would she pretend to be  her own friend? I wish I had a friend like Beth.

So why ridicule someone for clearly giving this low-life of  a man more support than most of us will ever get? And then he just turns round (he didn&#039;t even do that though, did he?) and shits on everything she&#039;s done for him? And people out there think this is funny? That Ted got out just in time? That this is Fatal Attraction? 

George (it was George&#039;s and BenJo&#039;s (male or female?) replies that finally made me decide to share my views) said that Ted should be forced to meet Mary. I agree with that. Ted has committed a crime, and he should be confronted with the victim of his crime. Banana said he &#039;knows&#039; Ted. If he (?) really does know him (his real name and where he can be found), then why doesn&#039;t he come forward and let Mary know (via Ryan?) how she can get in touch with him? If the guy&#039;s earning excellent money in China and Mary lent him a fortune when he had nothing, is there no way the guy can be made to &#039;pay&#039; (in more ways than one)?

Ted&#039;s guilt and selfishness will, I hope be his downfall. I hope Mary will get a chance to spit on his grave. How long will Ted be able to pull the wool over people&#039;s eyes in China? He can&#039;t fool them forever and make them think he&#039;s the Western Golden Boy. I don&#039;t know China personally (although I have read a lot about it), but it would be sad to think that a big wallet is all the Chinese need to protect someone (in that case, Ted&#039;s callousness and greed would be highly rated!). Somebody is clearly protecting Ted. His boss, his friends, the &#039;gold digger&#039; trophy girl and her family (he&#039;s too good to lose). 

But when Ted is stripped of his cash and when people start seeing the real Ted (I wonder if Ted knows who the &#039;real&#039; Ted is anymore ...), when they see only the shallowness of his character,  there is nothing that can make Ted  a human being.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stumbled across this story coincidentally a few weeks ago. I don&#8217;t usually join in this kind of semi-public debate, but I was really shocked to read what this man has done to this woman &#8211; and, no, I would feel no differently whatsoever if I were a guy! Yet, more than the sadness of this desperate situation the &#8216;views&#8217; reflected in some of the replies upset me. There are only three or four people who DON&#8217;T treat this as a big joke.  A soap opera? Spam? Manipulative sob story? I cannot imagine what Mary must be going through, even after all this time. And nor can all you insensitive respondents!  </p>
<p>I would like to know how Mary is feeling now.  Has she taken  a solicitor? Has she hired  a contract killer? Are her friends able to help her through this? If she loved and trusted Ted as much as Beth&#8217;s letter indicates, this is not something she will simply shrug off. And if Ted&#8217;s actions have made her ill, it&#8217;s not something anybody &#8216;wants&#8217; to be. Maybe the cynics out there should do some research on depression and grief (and the grief Mary has experienced is worse than death &#8211; any counsellor would tell you this). </p>
<p>Ted seems to have betrayed everything Mary &#8216;is&#8217;. He didn&#8217;t just betray their relationship, he betrayed everything that matters: morals, honesty, respect, dignity, to name but a few.  Only the most shallow out there can live without these. </p>
<p>And why should they be one and the same woman? If Mary is brave enough to contact a complete stranger, why would she pretend to be  her own friend? I wish I had a friend like Beth.</p>
<p>So why ridicule someone for clearly giving this low-life of  a man more support than most of us will ever get? And then he just turns round (he didn&#8217;t even do that though, did he?) and shits on everything she&#8217;s done for him? And people out there think this is funny? That Ted got out just in time? That this is Fatal Attraction? </p>
<p>George (it was George&#8217;s and BenJo&#8217;s (male or female?) replies that finally made me decide to share my views) said that Ted should be forced to meet Mary. I agree with that. Ted has committed a crime, and he should be confronted with the victim of his crime. Banana said he &#8216;knows&#8217; Ted. If he (?) really does know him (his real name and where he can be found), then why doesn&#8217;t he come forward and let Mary know (via Ryan?) how she can get in touch with him? If the guy&#8217;s earning excellent money in China and Mary lent him a fortune when he had nothing, is there no way the guy can be made to &#8216;pay&#8217; (in more ways than one)?</p>
<p>Ted&#8217;s guilt and selfishness will, I hope be his downfall. I hope Mary will get a chance to spit on his grave. How long will Ted be able to pull the wool over people&#8217;s eyes in China? He can&#8217;t fool them forever and make them think he&#8217;s the Western Golden Boy. I don&#8217;t know China personally (although I have read a lot about it), but it would be sad to think that a big wallet is all the Chinese need to protect someone (in that case, Ted&#8217;s callousness and greed would be highly rated!). Somebody is clearly protecting Ted. His boss, his friends, the &#8216;gold digger&#8217; trophy girl and her family (he&#8217;s too good to lose). </p>
<p>But when Ted is stripped of his cash and when people start seeing the real Ted (I wonder if Ted knows who the &#8216;real&#8217; Ted is anymore &#8230;), when they see only the shallowness of his character,  there is nothing that can make Ted  a human being.</p>
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		<title>By: george</title>
		<link>http://www.thehumanaught.com/blog/general/mailbag-suzhou-home-for-cheats-and-liars/#comment-26244</link>
		<dc:creator>george</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi ryan.i feel i have to respond to you about mary/beth. i dont see why it makes a difference if they are the same person,like some cynical responders are saying.ted the lowlife,makes me feel so proud of myself,that i am the total opposite sort of human,if you can call him human, being.he shames the human race,and the western world.he should be found and forced to see mary/beth,and know what he has done to her life.then castrate him,so no more of his sort can be let loose on the world. nice site. keep up the good work. i will be back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi ryan.i feel i have to respond to you about mary/beth. i dont see why it makes a difference if they are the same person,like some cynical responders are saying.ted the lowlife,makes me feel so proud of myself,that i am the total opposite sort of human,if you can call him human, being.he shames the human race,and the western world.he should be found and forced to see mary/beth,and know what he has done to her life.then castrate him,so no more of his sort can be let loose on the world. nice site. keep up the good work. i will be back.</p>
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		<title>By: BenJo</title>
		<link>http://www.thehumanaught.com/blog/general/mailbag-suzhou-home-for-cheats-and-liars/#comment-25684</link>
		<dc:creator>BenJo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s not be general and antagonistic, please. I am sure there are many very happy relationships between Chinese women and Western men, based on mutual respect and genuine feelings. But for every Ted, there are probably a fair few gold diggers who are dazzled by the prestige of catching a Ted and will do anything to get him. And for every honest man, there is a lying scumbag like Ted who falls for such shallowness. Wouldn&#039;t it be funny if &#039;Ted the user&#039; has been &#039;used&#039;?

Ted&#039;s deluded. He appears to have been a failure back home and is using his Western status to charm China (and the women). I wonder how long it will take his new Chinese buddies to see beneath Ted&#039;s surface and realise he&#039;s not what he pretends to be. It would be really sad to think that he could go on deceiving, cheating and lying. 

I hope Mary&#039;s getting legal advice on how to get her money back, at least some of it. I cannot imagine how she expects to &#039;heal&#039; emotionally after this betrayal, but I hope she gets herself a good solicitor. 

Ted owes her big time, in many ways! It doesn&#039;t look as though Mary and Ted were living in any kind of squalor, looks like Mary has a good job and owns a house. How would she have been able to support him otherwise?  I don&#039;t think she and Ted were living on baked beans. 

As far as I&#039;m concerned, I hope Ted gets what he deserves, that his past catches up with him and he becomes a victim of his own lies. Time for a reality check, Ted?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s not be general and antagonistic, please. I am sure there are many very happy relationships between Chinese women and Western men, based on mutual respect and genuine feelings. But for every Ted, there are probably a fair few gold diggers who are dazzled by the prestige of catching a Ted and will do anything to get him. And for every honest man, there is a lying scumbag like Ted who falls for such shallowness. Wouldn&#8217;t it be funny if &#8216;Ted the user&#8217; has been &#8216;used&#8217;?</p>
<p>Ted&#8217;s deluded. He appears to have been a failure back home and is using his Western status to charm China (and the women). I wonder how long it will take his new Chinese buddies to see beneath Ted&#8217;s surface and realise he&#8217;s not what he pretends to be. It would be really sad to think that he could go on deceiving, cheating and lying. </p>
<p>I hope Mary&#8217;s getting legal advice on how to get her money back, at least some of it. I cannot imagine how she expects to &#8216;heal&#8217; emotionally after this betrayal, but I hope she gets herself a good solicitor. </p>
<p>Ted owes her big time, in many ways! It doesn&#8217;t look as though Mary and Ted were living in any kind of squalor, looks like Mary has a good job and owns a house. How would she have been able to support him otherwise?  I don&#8217;t think she and Ted were living on baked beans. </p>
<p>As far as I&#8217;m concerned, I hope Ted gets what he deserves, that his past catches up with him and he becomes a victim of his own lies. Time for a reality check, Ted?!</p>
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		<title>By: Chip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is M Gilton the anti-chinese version of Mel Gibson?</description>
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		<title>By: M Gilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>M Gilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it actually time the world ceased to accept the arrogant greed of the Chinese. 

My goodness, if I were to tell a trajic story about my family, life etc then I too could expect sympathy, help and understanding from people with open hearts and deep pockets (?) - I think that is highly unlikely, however I am actually living in the real world - not an asian fantasy.

Evidently ignorance is &quot;bliss&quot; to those unable to observe reality around them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it actually time the world ceased to accept the arrogant greed of the Chinese. </p>
<p>My goodness, if I were to tell a trajic story about my family, life etc then I too could expect sympathy, help and understanding from people with open hearts and deep pockets (?) &#8211; I think that is highly unlikely, however I am actually living in the real world &#8211; not an asian fantasy.</p>
<p>Evidently ignorance is &#8220;bliss&#8221; to those unable to observe reality around them.</p>
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		<title>By: dedlam</title>
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		<dc:creator>dedlam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This actually sounds like a very common story except it is usually someone coming from from China (or another country with many people living in poverty)rather than to China and it is usually the woman who has come over to find work and has ended up as either a maid, or for the unlucky, a prostitute. Having lived in Malaysia, China and spent some time in Singapore, the story is often that they leave their family (often with children) to a country that has better prospects with the promise of sending money back or coming back with a lump sum that will bail the family out of whatever financial slump they are in. Often, these couples or families are young. Married in their late teens or early twenties and when they get to the country they discover a life that is far more promising than expected and their promise to their families/ partners is not as attractive compared to the life of rich men in fast cars and indoor flushing toilets.

Of course we do not know what kind of squalor Mary &amp; Ted were living in in London, but I can certainly understand the attraction of the fast pace and bright lights of Suzhou being hard to leave...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This actually sounds like a very common story except it is usually someone coming from from China (or another country with many people living in poverty)rather than to China and it is usually the woman who has come over to find work and has ended up as either a maid, or for the unlucky, a prostitute. Having lived in Malaysia, China and spent some time in Singapore, the story is often that they leave their family (often with children) to a country that has better prospects with the promise of sending money back or coming back with a lump sum that will bail the family out of whatever financial slump they are in. Often, these couples or families are young. Married in their late teens or early twenties and when they get to the country they discover a life that is far more promising than expected and their promise to their families/ partners is not as attractive compared to the life of rich men in fast cars and indoor flushing toilets.</p>
<p>Of course we do not know what kind of squalor Mary &amp; Ted were living in in London, but I can certainly understand the attraction of the fast pace and bright lights of Suzhou being hard to leave&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@M Gilton: Glad we agree.</description>
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		<title>By: M Gilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>M Gilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 05:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course - precisely as expected</description>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 05:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@M Gilton: Dumb twat.</description>
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