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	<title>Comments on: Sweatin&#8217; it out in Suzhou</title>
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	<description>by Ryan McLaughlin ~ The Humanaught</description>
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		<title>By: A Son of Dalian &#124; A China Blog on Suzhou Expat Life &#124; The Humanaught</title>
		<link>http://www.thehumanaught.com/blog/china-expat-life/sweatin-it-out-in-suzhou/#comment-26117</link>
		<dc:creator>A Son of Dalian &#124; A China Blog on Suzhou Expat Life &#124; The Humanaught</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the last time I got my visa in Suzhou the woman told us in no uncertain terms not to come back, Mags and I knew we&#8217;d be heading to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the last time I got my visa in Suzhou the woman told us in no uncertain terms not to come back, Mags and I knew we&#8217;d be heading to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chip</title>
		<link>http://www.thehumanaught.com/blog/china-expat-life/sweatin-it-out-in-suzhou/#comment-25545</link>
		<dc:creator>Chip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan，

Did you use your amazing powers of whiteness to get the woman&#039;s manager to talk with you guys?  Maybe things are different in Suzhou, but in Beijing whenever people start acting like that, I totally utilize the white-worship of them or the people around them to embarrass the crap out of people in front of their boss.  I love using face as a weapon, it&#039;s pretty effective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan，</p>
<p>Did you use your amazing powers of whiteness to get the woman&#8217;s manager to talk with you guys?  Maybe things are different in Suzhou, but in Beijing whenever people start acting like that, I totally utilize the white-worship of them or the people around them to embarrass the crap out of people in front of their boss.  I love using face as a weapon, it&#8217;s pretty effective.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.thehumanaught.com/blog/china-expat-life/sweatin-it-out-in-suzhou/#comment-25544</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ChinaMatt: You may be right. We were told conflicting things on this - one office told us that it was fine if Maggie had the Suzhou permit and the latest story is that she&#039;s not allowed. Chinese bureaucracy at its finest.

@Kotsengkuba: Great advice about keeping your papers on you.

@Stuart: Been a while m8! You&#039;re absolutely right that no matter how long I live in the country, my white skin makes me a foreigner for life.

I&#039;ve often tried to explain the Canadian difference to Maggie, as she was quite worried people would down on her as &quot;Chinese&quot; or as a &quot;foreigner&quot; in Canada - and though there&#039;s racism in every country, being &quot;Canadian&quot; means being a foreigner. Only something like 20% of the population is of original British decent, the entire country is a melting pot of cultures, and no one would assume she&#039;s not Canadian.

The problem at the PSB though wasn&#039;t so much racism towards myself, but classism towards Maggie. Because she wasn&#039;t a Suzhou local, and because she wasn&#039;t working for a registered work unit (danwei) the woman treated her like she was some country hick, and though that too exists in Canada to some extent - class elitism here in China is much worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ChinaMatt: You may be right. We were told conflicting things on this &#8211; one office told us that it was fine if Maggie had the Suzhou permit and the latest story is that she&#8217;s not allowed. Chinese bureaucracy at its finest.</p>
<p>@Kotsengkuba: Great advice about keeping your papers on you.</p>
<p>@Stuart: Been a while m8! You&#8217;re absolutely right that no matter how long I live in the country, my white skin makes me a foreigner for life.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve often tried to explain the Canadian difference to Maggie, as she was quite worried people would down on her as &#8220;Chinese&#8221; or as a &#8220;foreigner&#8221; in Canada &#8211; and though there&#8217;s racism in every country, being &#8220;Canadian&#8221; means being a foreigner. Only something like 20% of the population is of original British decent, the entire country is a melting pot of cultures, and no one would assume she&#8217;s not Canadian.</p>
<p>The problem at the PSB though wasn&#8217;t so much racism towards myself, but classism towards Maggie. Because she wasn&#8217;t a Suzhou local, and because she wasn&#8217;t working for a registered work unit (danwei) the woman treated her like she was some country hick, and though that too exists in Canada to some extent &#8211; class elitism here in China is much worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
		<link>http://www.thehumanaught.com/blog/china-expat-life/sweatin-it-out-in-suzhou/#comment-25542</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;While applying for the Canadian visa, no one ever treated me nor my wife like we were less than equals.&quot;

I think this must be a big problem with living in China. Surely not everyone there thinks this way, but it seems that, overall, no matter how long you live there or who you&#039;re married to, you will always be waiguoren, always be loawai, always be an outsider. I think that&#039;s pretty sad. I&#039;ve never lived in Canada, but I&#039;m fairly certain that Maggie wouldn&#039;t have the same experience. I think at some point the label of &quot;foreigner&quot; would fade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;While applying for the Canadian visa, no one ever treated me nor my wife like we were less than equals.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think this must be a big problem with living in China. Surely not everyone there thinks this way, but it seems that, overall, no matter how long you live there or who you&#8217;re married to, you will always be waiguoren, always be loawai, always be an outsider. I think that&#8217;s pretty sad. I&#8217;ve never lived in Canada, but I&#8217;m fairly certain that Maggie wouldn&#8217;t have the same experience. I think at some point the label of &#8220;foreigner&#8221; would fade.</p>
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		<title>By: Kotsengkuba</title>
		<link>http://www.thehumanaught.com/blog/china-expat-life/sweatin-it-out-in-suzhou/#comment-25541</link>
		<dc:creator>Kotsengkuba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lucky for me my visa has just been renewed before the &quot;special circumstance.&quot; Now I would want my wife and daughter to come here from the Philippines but it seems I have to wait until the end of September.

Also, our embassy informed us that we should always have our VISA and all the papers in our pockets during these &quot;special circumstance&quot; because the police may be checking for them every time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucky for me my visa has just been renewed before the &#8220;special circumstance.&#8221; Now I would want my wife and daughter to come here from the Philippines but it seems I have to wait until the end of September.</p>
<p>Also, our embassy informed us that we should always have our VISA and all the papers in our pockets during these &#8220;special circumstance&#8221; because the police may be checking for them every time.</p>
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		<title>By: ChinaMatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChinaMatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The confusion of the visa process in China...where even those in the know have no clue what&#039;s going on.

I thought there was some restriction on the family L visa--I&#039;ve heard you have to go back to wherever your wife&#039;s hukou is and you have to be married for a certain number of years (that last part I&#039;ve heard varying numbers).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The confusion of the visa process in China&#8230;where even those in the know have no clue what&#8217;s going on.</p>
<p>I thought there was some restriction on the family L visa&#8211;I&#8217;ve heard you have to go back to wherever your wife&#8217;s hukou is and you have to be married for a certain number of years (that last part I&#8217;ve heard varying numbers).</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@JohnG: Agreed.

@Kim: I say we send them out to the countryside for re-education. And should any prove difficult to re-educate, well, I hear there&#039;s a blossoming medical tourism industry on the go.

@From TO: Not as difficult, but certainly far more condescending. The Canadian visa application may be more invasive, but it&#039;s done with a certain level of respect. While applying for the Canadian visa, no one ever treated me nor my wife like we were less than equals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JohnG: Agreed.</p>
<p>@Kim: I say we send them out to the countryside for re-education. And should any prove difficult to re-educate, well, I hear there&#8217;s a blossoming medical tourism industry on the go.</p>
<p>@From TO: Not as difficult, but certainly far more condescending. The Canadian visa application may be more invasive, but it&#8217;s done with a certain level of respect. While applying for the Canadian visa, no one ever treated me nor my wife like we were less than equals.</p>
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		<title>By: From Toronto</title>
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		<dc:creator>From Toronto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan:

Just wondering if it is as difficult as you apply your wife&#039;s visiting visa to Canada?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan:</p>
<p>Just wondering if it is as difficult as you apply your wife&#8217;s visiting visa to Canada?</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God I hate petty minded bully bureaucrats. Just reading about that experience makes me angry! I am normally a gentle peaceful person, but I think I could probably support a policy of gratuitous and extreme violence to be meted out to bureaucrats. Just to reform them, you understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God I hate petty minded bully bureaucrats. Just reading about that experience makes me angry! I am normally a gentle peaceful person, but I think I could probably support a policy of gratuitous and extreme violence to be meted out to bureaucrats. Just to reform them, you understand.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnG</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to hear the whole visa renewal process went well for you. Hate to have you head home before you&#039;re ready.

J.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to hear the whole visa renewal process went well for you. Hate to have you head home before you&#8217;re ready.</p>
<p>J.</p>
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